The Sin Bin • Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4)
The Ghost of '99 wrote:
Honestly, you Brexiteers never cease to amaze. You think you're being insulted because you read some propaganda in the hard right press and decide it's worth destroying our economy for. What a total and utter snowflake.
Oh look, the remainer conflates a leaver with the hard right. Wrong. I don't, and never have, read 'hard right press'. I form my own judgements. I listen to the words of the EU leaders and read their social media posts. Even in the Paxman documentary I mentioned earlier, one of the EU execs speaks of the UK as the naughty member of the family who should be taught a lesson.
Snowflake? Pal, you're seriously on the wrong track there. But don't melt about it.
They'll probably continue to tweak rules so that trade becomes even more barrier free, continue to do trade deals with other large blocs. But here's the problem with conspiracy-ridden Brexiteers: you just paranoidly assume this monolithic monster is out to destroy Britondom on some pre-determined plan. You just can't see that the EU is a collection of member states behind which sit the governments and behind which sit the people. Everything depends on how politics moves.
Over the past 20 years, pushed ironically enough by Britain, the EU has become rather right wing in lots of ways with the application of British-style free markets into lots of areas which probably aren't appropriate. Hence for example other countries have split up their railways into track owning and operational entities, just like us, because it lets companies from across Europe to be able to freely bid on operations.
But there's now a general move to the left in politics amongst younger people so the EU will probably reflect that a bit more. It won't change the fundamentals, which are a trading bloc where goods can move quickly and easily for mutual benefit to all members, because, you know, that's a foundation stone upon which our and their prosperity is built and it would be insane to fundamentally tamper with, or leave, it. But it may instead focus on, for example, more help for the poorest areas or encouraging greater collaboration on climate change etc. But forgive me if I guess what your views on the last two topics are.
Again, you're wrong. I don't view the EU as a monster, nor - from your previous posts - am I scared of them. Quite simply, I don't agree with them or the direction in which they are inevitably heading, which is a gradual weakening of the nation state and increasingly centralised power.
As a trading bloc - wonderful concept, all for it. But as you claim to be an expert on the EU, please explain why a trading bloc requires ever encroaching closer political union, and why membership of this trading bloc is dependant on accepting ideological core values? Why should membership of a trading bloc necessitate accepting freedom of movement, for example. Where else in the world is this necessary?
Go on, guess my views on helping the poor and climate change. I bet you get it wrong.
But on another point I agree with you. The fundamental values of the EU will not change. Hence I want to leave.
Statistics: Posted by Cronus — Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:43 pm