The RLWC (Virtual Terrace) • Re: The Nadir of English Rugby League
Saddened! wrote:
Saddened! wrote:
The cap needs to stay unfortunately,....
In what way is it unfortunate?
RFL wrote:
The core objectives of the Salary Cap are:
To ensure that the competitions remains (sic) competitive and therefore attractive to spectators and commercial partners by preventing Clubs with greater financial resources dominating the competition and by ensuring a balanced spread of players among clubs…..
Aaaah! “Unfortunate” for a St Helens fan and for St Helens’ hegemony. Then again, the dispensations on the cap (especially distribution of prize money amongst players not counting to said cap, likewise club bonuses paid to its players for International appearances) are surely a help to top teams regarding staying on top. Rather flies in the face of the above “core objective”. The whole system needs modifying.
Saddened! wrote:
.....but in a modified form….
Well, well! We seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet. You have Bongser’s attention, Saddened. Please do go on.
Saddened! wrote:
......Something like your own youth players don't count on the cap at all…..
Hmmm. Different hymn sheets after all. Yours is taken from the Gospel according to a certain Saint Helen! Saints already have an established Academy that, along with the one at Wigan, has been vacuuming up most of the talent that would be available to neighbouring clubs that have been arbitrarily forbidden a first class Academy.
Saddened! wrote:
.....All French players (don't count on the cap at all) for Catalans….
Why the different rules for the French? Because “Eight Out of Ten Cats” prefer that? If the whole Perpignan/Toulouse experiment has utterly failed to grow the game in France, which it has, that should be acknowledged and the Cats put down!
Saddened! wrote:
....five marquee players that you can pay as much as you like, of which three can be overseas players….
Five and three? Please “show your working”. It is to be presumed that you have put a lot of consideration into coming up with those figures so please share those thoughts with us. Funny, it seems like two minutes since Koukash first mooted each club being allowed ONE marquee signing and was roundly pooh-poohed until the chairmen of the richer clubs saw that it would benefit them more than others. (Leigh) Leopards may not be able to change their spots but it seems Plaster Saints can!
Will the sea in “overseas” include La Manche?
Saddened! wrote:
....Maximum of 28 senior players, with the remaining players capped at £2m….
First of all, define “senior”. Leigh fielded 30 different players in last season’s Championship. Bongser would argue that, should a player represent a club in a competitive fixture they are a senior player regardless of whether or not they are on (short or long term) loan from elsewhere. If you are advocating clubs only being allowed to field a set number of players in any given season then, again, please tell us your rationale for that limit being 28.
£2M? Will the nominal £150K per marquee player be deducted from that figure or not? £1.25M still gives a lot of wriggle room if home grown players are valued within the cap as zilch!
Saddened! wrote:
....That way clubs are incentivised to produce their own players (All clubs mandated to have academies), they can keep their own players once they've developed them….
You’re trying (and failing) to play the Enlightened Despot! You know full well that it will take years for newly mandated academies to bear fruit. During the interim the established clubs will be able to continue their dominance.
Saddened! wrote:
....the big clubs wouldn't be able to stockpile players….
Yes they will, especially under your proposals.
Saddened! wrote:
....It'd bring an element of survival of the richest back into the sport….
See above:
IT IS ALREADY THERE AND CLUBS LIKE SAINTS HAVE BEEN MILKING THE SYSTEM FOR YEARS!!
However, the existing system preserves “Old Gold” and prevents the nouveaux riches from flowering in Super League. The established clubs make the rules….
Saddened! wrote:
....which isn't really a bad thing.
The RFL wrote:
....The core objectives of the Salary Cap are (also)
To prevent Clubs trading beyond their means and/or entering into damaging and unsustainable financial arrangements….
What the heck happened at Bradford Bulls? Yes the Cap System needs modifying. “Finite” should mean FINITE - no exemptions, no dispensations! It may then serve the purpose that it is meant to serve.
Super League has been a flawed product for a good while, not because of The Cap but due to its codicils. The only interesting season in recent years was when Castleford “did a Leicester City” (no, Bongser does not wish to see anyone present The Super League Show in their underwear!) SL even had The Tigers covered due to the idiocy of the playoffs. SkY introduced the system, SkY are paying less to RL; SkY should have less say in RL.
Statistics: Posted by Bent&Bongser — Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:05 pm