The Sin Bin • Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3)
wrencat1873 wrote:
Although they are noble sentiments, I'm not entirely sure that "most" people would agree and it really all depends where we end up and more importantly what the different motivations were for the leave vote.
There is a certain irony about going on strike for an extra few percent or "better working conditions" and then voting for a "new dawn" that may not give either.
Ultimately it's a case of what you believe will happen.
We still go back to the no 1 reason for the "leave" vote, which was immigration.
Granted, not everyone voted for this reason but, enough people were hacked off with the numbers of Europeans coming over, the perception that this would be never ending, especially as Turkey we said to be "close" to joining the EU.
You state that " It isn't always about the economy, stupid" but, many people dont connect big business failing / shrinking with their own plight becoming a little more difficult and they may argue that "because of mass immigration", their lives were getting more difficult anyway.
I also believe that the government has been massively guilty of blaming immigration for all of the problems with our schools and health system etc and whilst there is undoubted additional pressure on services, we also had 10 YEARS OF AUSTERITY - less money foe ALL SERVICES and its no bloody wonder that life is more difficult for those struggling at the bottom end of the scale.
There are some right thickos I admit, and not just among the working classes or leave voters by any means. There are some people you just can't reach. But focusing ever more narrowly on Mondeo man or Worcester woman or the key demographic du jour pushed a lot of people to the fringes who should be in the mainstream. A couple of posters have asked 'who should I vote for?', and I think a lot of people feel like they're not being represented - and they're right, frankly. The centre needs reach out and develop a broader and more compelling narrative or it'll shrink even more and our politics will become even more polarized, unpleasant, dysfunctional and maybe even dangerous.
To me that doesn't actually have much to do with the EU, but not everybody shares my worldview. And it's not like another more relevant change was on the ballot.
We shouldn't 'other' leavers (except the EDL-types, because y'know feck them) because it'll be self-fulfilling. Equally, the reverse is true.
Statistics: Posted by Mild Rover — Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:10 pm