MGA Quiz 2018 • Re: Q 3

Thom wrote:

RJM wrote:

Thom wrote:

I agree with this statement. Ball not found within 5 minutes, it is lost, period.  KVC has zero impact on whether a ball is lost.  What rule now applies?  Assuming this case is through the green (not a WH), then there is only one way forward, R27.  But the timing dimension only impacts on whether the ball is lost.  The area of the course the ball is lost in is a matter only of fact, not of timing.  

Turning to the water hazard situation: when the 5 minutes of searching ticks over, ball is unequivocally lost.  But that does not mean R27.  It may be R26 or R27 and depends purely on the factual answer to the question 'Is there KVC that the ball is in the hazard'.  That factual answer determines only which rule applies to the lost ball, not whether it is lost.  If KVC ball is in WH, R26, not KVC then R27.  The is no rules or decision that states decisions on KVC are time limited, eg see the detailed explanation in D26-1/1.  There are no rules or decisions that tell us that a ball lost in WB, Obstruction or AGC must proceed under R27 if KVC that the ball was in those specific areas did not occur within a 5 minute limit.

I'll disagree for reasons already posted.  KVC must be established within the permitted five minute search period.
How would you you rule in the child picking up the ball situation?

I've already answered this.  The child pick up situation you identify can only be R27 because that situation has no information on WHERE the ball has been lost.  Timing (5 mins) determines IF the ball is lost only, not where.  If you have zero info on where ball is lost, then only R27 applies.

Situation is different in Q3, we have specific information on where the ball is lost and the rules are clear that only this fact determines what rules apply.  Your interpretation (that KVC is always time limited) is not supported by the published rules and decisions.

Statistics: Posted by RJM — Today, 05:11